Conversations in Cleantech offers insight into the opportunities, challenges and rewards of working in the cleantech space from the investors, leaders, entrepreneurs, accelerators & technologists within it. We talk all things cleantech, sustainability, renewables, agritech, solar, wind, e-mobilty, hydrogen & energy storage. The time for cleantech is now – join the revolution and live your purpose. Conversations in Cleantech is bought to you by Brightsmith, the cleantech search specialists.
Episodes
Tuesday Nov 25, 2025
Tuesday Nov 25, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, our host Jenny Gladman is joined by co-host Chloe England to speak with Ishan Jaithwa, Vice President of Data Centre and Utility at Cypress Creek Renewables - a leader at the crossroads of clean energy, AI and infrastructure innovation.
From building gigawatt-scale capacity at Amazon Web Services to now bridging the gap between AI growth and grid readiness at Cypress Creek (backed by EQT), Ishan offers a rare inside view of how digital demand is reshaping the energy landscape.
In this conversation, they explore what it takes to deliver real capacity at real speed - from firming strategies and flexible partnerships with utilities, to the rise of private equity-backed developers as key enablers of the digital transition. They also discuss how technology mix, timing, and transparency are redefining what’s possible in power markets.
Expect a fast-paced, future-focused discussion about urgency, ownership and innovation, and why the next frontier of the energy transition may well be powered by data as much as by electrons.
01:16 - Introduction to Ishan
02:27 - Can you share your journey into energy and digital infrastructure and how it led you to Cypress Creek?
07:10 - What are the pivotal moments that have shaped the career you have today?
10:36 - During your time at Amazon, you were tasked with delivering gigawatts of capacity almost overnight - what was that experience like, and how did it shape your perspective on AI power strategy and execution speed?
15:16 - Where does a PE-backed developer add the most value in bridging AI growth and utility readiness?
20:23 - How are you approaching firm capacity across renewables, storage, and emerging technologies, and what factors are driving those decisions?
25:45 - What’s the one thing AI customers most often underestimate about transmission and market structure?
30:04 - What's your advice for somebody looking to make that leap into data centres?
33:10 - What’s next on the horizon for you?
37:00 - What advice would you give your 2023 self?
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Tuesday Nov 11, 2025
Tuesday Nov 11, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, our host Jenny Gladman is joined by co-host Isabella Rova to speak with Anmay Dittman, Managing Director and Head of the Climate Finance Partnership at Global Infrastructure Partners (GIP), part of BlackRock - a leader redefining what’s possible in blended climate finance.
At the helm of one of the fastest fundraises in BlackRock’s history, Anmay has mobilised over $700 million to accelerate renewable infrastructure in emerging markets - from Kenya’s landmark Lake Turkana wind farm to a growing pipeline of solar and storage investments across Africa and beyond.
In this conversation, they explore what it really takes to deploy climate capital where it matters most: how blended finance can de-risk high-impact projects, why local engagement is the key to lasting success, and where the next frontier of opportunity lies - from energy access to data centres powering the digital future.
Expect a candid deep-dive into innovation, inclusion and ambition, and how reimagining risk can unlock not just investment returns, but real-world resilience.
01:09 - Introduction to Anmay
03:08 - Can you tell us a bit about your story so far?
05:20 - What drew you into climate finance?
06:29 - Raising hundreds of millions in under a year during COVID is incredible - what made that possible, and who were the investors behind it?
09:50 - The Lake Turkana project stands out as one of Africa’s largest wind farms - what lessons did it teach you about managing risk and delivering community impact?
12:00 - Have you been there yourself?
13:00 - Emerging market investing comes with challenges like currency volatility - how do you approach FX risk in places where hedging isn’t affordable?
15:55 - Your pipeline shows a shift from wind toward solar - what’s driving that, and is storage becoming investable at scale?
17:55 - How do you identify the biggest opportunities in Africa’s mining decarbonization space, from both an impact and investment perspective?
19:29 - Can you share a personal moment or story that shows why this mission matters to you?
21:40 - If you could change one market condition tomorrow to accelerate private capital into emerging markets, what would it be?
23:50 - Looking five years ahead, what do you think will be the most exciting development in climate infrastructure across emerging markets?
25:20 - Who inspires you, whether peers or key figures, to keep pushing forward and doing what you do?
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Isabella Rova, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, Anmay Dittman, on LinkedIn.
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Tuesday Oct 28, 2025
Tuesday Oct 28, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, our host Jenny Gladman is joined by a new co-host, Isabella Rova - Brightsmith’s new Director of Sustainable Finance - to speak with David Bird, Managing Director and Head of the Climate Finance Partnership at Octopus Renewables Infrastructure Trust (ORIT).
With over 15 years in clean energy and a decade of experience at Octopus Energy Generation, David brings deep insight into what it takes to fund, develop and scale real-world renewable infrastructure.
From repositioning ORIT’s strategy in the face of rising interest rates, to backing development-stage projects across Europe, David outlines how Octopus is reframing renewables as a growth opportunity - not just a bond alternative.
Together, they dive into the evolution of investor appetite, the growing role of specialist fund managers, and why resilience, inflation linkage and capital growth are proving renewables to be one of the most compelling asset classes of our time.
This is a conversation about long-term thinking, market adaptation and why clean energy is no longer just a climate imperative - but an economic one, too.
01:41 - Introduction to David
02:44 - Can you share your journey into renewables, who Octopus are, and your role there?
05:14 - Can you explain how Octopus Energy Generation’s funds are structured and where ORIT fits in?
07:05 - With government bonds near 5% and renewables no longer a bond proxy, how are you repositioning ORIT and your other funds?
11:37 - How are you working to increase investor appetite for renewables and get that message to market?
16:30 - How do you navigate shifting political narratives - like clean energy vs. energy security - both internally and in conversations with investors?
20:10 - Can you share real-life examples, and what they show us about progress and confidence on the road to 2026 FID?
25:50 - Why are specialist managers like yourself so critical in today’s market compared to generalist investors, especially in co-investments with pension funds?
28:50 - What motivates you to do what you do?
33:07 - What advice would you give your younger self?
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Isabella Rova, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, David Bird, on LinkedIn.
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Tuesday Oct 14, 2025
Tuesday Oct 14, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, our host Jenny Gladman is joined by Laurie Menoud, Founding Partner, and Helen Lin, Partner at At One Ventures - a firm reshaping climate investing through the lens of deep tech, scientific rigour and radically better unit economics.
With backgrounds spanning biotech, physics, finance and microfinance, Laurie and Helen are part of a founding team built on diverse experience and shared conviction. Together, they’re investing in breakthrough technologies that aren’t just greener - they’re fundamentally better, more scalable and economically inevitable.
The conversation explores how At One Ventures uses a “physics fundamentals” framework to de-risk investments, why climate tech must work with, not against, economic logic, and how to navigate the time-cost tradeoffs of scaling hard tech. From bridge rounds to manufacturing missteps, this is a rare look into what actually makes or breaks impact at scale.
It’s also a conversation about trust, humility and the human side of venture. Laurie and Helen share why founder relationships are core to their strategy, and how radical candour, curiosity and alignment can turn investors into true long-term partners.
01:03 - Introduction to Laurie and Helen
03:53 - Since Tom Chi isn’t with us today, can you share a bit of his background?
06:30 - On the economics of climate projects, how do you approach the challenge of ensuring solutions are truly viable?
10:04 - Where have you seen policy act as a major enabler for scaling impact?
11:35 - What key learnings have you seen from founders successfully taking climate tech from early-stage idea to scaled impact?
15:27 - What do you think prevents founders from bringing in the right people at the right time?
18:43 - How important are close working relationships with portfolio companies in providing guidance and support?
23:35 - How has your investment thesis evolved with the market, and where do you see the biggest opportunities over the next 5–10 years?
25:15 - For founders navigating bridge rounds, how do you decide when to support them, and what advice would you give to those approaching investors in that situation?
28:35 - What have you learned from each other?
32:55 - What advice would you give your younger self?
Connect with your host, Jenny Gladman, on LinkedIn.
Find your guests, Laurie Menoud & Helen Lin, on LinkedIn.
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Tuesday Sep 30, 2025
Tuesday Sep 30, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, Jenny Gladman and Chloe England are joined by Marieke Beeuwkes Spence, Executive Director at Impact Capital Managers (ICM), a leading network of private capital fund managers that deploys over $80 billion across climate and social impact.
Marieke shares her journey into impact investing, from philanthropy consulting to founding Impact Capital Managers, and offers a grounded yet optimistic look at how private capital can be mobilised for meaningful, long-term change.
Together, they explore what’s driving investor appetite across climate and clean tech, the intersection of AI, energy and biodiversity, and how Impact Capital Managers supports its members through research, collaboration and shared learning. From secondaries and credit to the business case for DEI, Marieke offers rare insight into how market fundamentals are evolving, and where true resilience lies.
This is a conversation about integrity, innovation, and the growing movement of investors proving that strong returns and strong values don’t have to be at odds.
01:14 - Introduction to Marieke
02:45 - How are you, and how was your Labour Day weekend?
03:20 - What led you into impact investing, and how did that path bring you to ICM?
06:40 - Can you tell us about ICM - what it does and how the platform came about?
09:10 - You hosted 50 events last year - were they all in the US, or did some take place globally?
10:15 - What’s driving ICM growth, and what does it say about the current moment for impact investing?
13:18 - How have you seen the ICM members adapting their strategies in this environment?
15:20 - How are innovations like AI, battery optimisation, and biodiversity intersecting with investor appetite?
17:40 - How do your members collaborate to embed ESG practices in their strategies while staying agile and innovation-focused?
20:02 - What’s the business case for DEI in private markets, and how do you see talent strategy evolving?
24:15 - Your members raise capital from major institutions like Citi and EQT - what are those investors prioritising and how has the climate and impact conversation evolved in recent years?
26:10 - What gives you the most hope when it comes to the intersection of capital and climate?
27:40 - If you could go back, what one piece of advice would you give your younger self early in your career?
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Chloe England, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, Marieke Beeuwkes Spence, on LinkedIn.
Thanks for listening to Conversations in Cleantech brought to you by Brightsmith.
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Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Tuesday Sep 16, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, Jenny Gladman and Chloe England are joined by Mona Dajani, Global Co-Chair of Energy, Infrastructure and Hydrogen at Baker Botts, to explore the legal, structural and human dimensions of getting clean energy deals over the line.
From engineering and economics to law and fine dining, Mona’s career path is anything but conventional. But it’s this blend of deep technical insight and practical creativity that makes her one of the most sought-after voices in climate finance today. She’s built a reputation for combining sharp legal execution with relationship-building that goes far beyond the boardroom - a rare combination in a space where trust and agility are everything.
This conversation covers the shifting sands of clean energy investment - from the rise of AI and hyperscalers to the myth of energy abundance. Mona shares why policy volatility demands layered risk management, how new financing models are emerging around data centre demand, and what developers must do to build investor confidence in an uncertain landscape.
It’s also a conversation about leadership - the power of transparency, the importance of track record, and why sometimes the smartest move is knowing when to pivot.
01:19 - Introduction to Mona
02:10 - How have you been preparing for RE+ next week?
03:20 - What are your industry predictions for this year’s RE+?
04:30 - How did you get into the energy sector?
08:22 - What early moment showed you how engineering, business, and law fit together to get energy deals done?
10:16 - What does a day in the life of a climate lawyer look like?
13:24 - Where are you seeing the biggest challenges across the sector right now?
17:19 - Given your point about certainty, how do you think it will shape where and how capital is invested in clean energy over the next year?
20:16 - With AI and data centres driving soaring power demand, what’s the biggest myth about future energy needs that we should retire?
22:20 - How can developers safeguard projects and protect deals when policies or incentives change midstream?
25:00 - What are the strategies that are helping to bring down the overall cost of capital?
26:45 - What do the best leadership teams do differently to keep deals moving and partners aligned, especially when things change?
31:49 - If you could go back and give your younger self one piece of career advice, what would it be?
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Chloe England, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, Mona Dajani, on LinkedIn.
Thanks for listening to Conversations in Cleantech brought to you by Brightsmith.
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Tuesday Sep 02, 2025
Tuesday Sep 02, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, Hetty Lowther is joined by Heidi Lindvall, documentary filmmaker turned startup founder turned climate VC, and a firm believer that investing in people is the surest way to drive systems change.
As a founding partner of Pale Blue Dot, Heidi is helping rewrite the rulebook for early-stage investing. She’s not chasing perfect pitch decks or polished prototypes; she backs founders with guts, a clear sense of purpose, and a deep commitment to solving climate challenges. Since launching in 2020, Pale Blue Dot has backed 45+ climate startups across Europe and the US, proving that small funds can punch well above their weight when they lead with conviction and care.
The conversation goes far beyond capital deployment. From reflections on broken aid systems to building The Drop - their highly curated, no-stage, all-connection climate event in Malmö - Heidi brings raw honesty, big-picture thinking, and a refreshing dose of pragmatism.
Together, she and Hetty explore the power of narrative in shaping investment appetite, why trust is the real currency in VC, and how funders can show up for founders in the moments that matter most.
This is a conversation about intuition, integrity, and building the climate transition from the ground up, one founder, one story, one bet at a time.
01:25 - Introduction to Heidi
03:00 - What types of documentaries did you work on earlier in your career?
07:00 - How do you draw on your own founding and entrepreneurial experience when supporting startups?
10:20 - What gave you the conviction and confidence to choose Climate Technology as a focus area?
13:12 - Looking at the market now, do you worry about the messaging, or do you see it as an opportunity to rebrand around themes like energy transition and security?
16:20 - At the pre-seed stage, what do you look for in a founder that gives you confidence?
18:45 - What typical challenges do founders bring to you, and where do you find yourself offering extra guidance?
21:45 - Is there anything you’re particularly excited about or finding interesting right now?
23:50 - What would you describe The Drop as, and why did you create it?
26:40 - Looking ahead, what legacy do you hope Pale Blue Dot will create, and where do you see the team in five years?
27:25 - What advice would you give to people raising investment in today’s environment?
Connect with your host, Hetty Lowther, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, Heidi Lindvall, on LinkedIn.
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Tuesday Aug 19, 2025
Tuesday Aug 19, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this episode, Jenny Gladman and Hetty Lowther are joined by Bielenis Villanueva Triana - venture builder, energy professional, and founding member of Norway’s Women’s Investment Network (WIN).
From petroleum engineer to cleantech founder to investor, Bielenis’s journey is anything but conventional. She shares what it takes to commercialise deep tech in the Nordics, how policy and incentives shape real-world outcomes, and why we need more long-term thinking, from founders and investors alike.
Together, they explore the realities of building and funding climate solutions in a risk-averse market, the urgent need for scalable infrastructure, and the importance of putting capital in the hands of more diverse decision-makers.
This is a conversation about entrepreneurship, ecosystem-building, and the power of intentionally rewriting the rules of who gets to lead in cleantech.
01:40 - Introduction to Bielenis
02:05 - Can you briefly share more about yourself and your background?
02:57 - Can you share how you got started and what led you to focus on infrastructure and the energy transition?
03:55 - What does a typical day at Kjeller look like for you?
05:00 - What was the spark that made you decide to join?
06:05 - What do you think is going particularly well for the Nordic region, and what do you think is still catching up with other regions?
09:38 - How can founders balance the short-term need to survive the “missing middle” with long-term thinking about their company’s global impact?
12:45 - How well are the Nordics bridging the gap with technologies beyond EVs in the energy transition?
14:35 - How does the mindset of regional investors around transition infrastructure differ from that of investors more broadly?
16:40 - What inspired you to go into an entrepreneurial startup?
19:40 - What were some of the key challenges in turning an idea into a revenue-generating business?
21:05 - Can you tell us more about the Women’s Investment Network - its history, challenges, and why it’s so important to the sector?
24:37 - What else needs to happen to get more women into the investor space and move toward better gender balance?
28:30 - What advice would you share based on the lessons you’ve learned along the way?
30:50 - What area of innovation excites you the most right now?
32:44 - If you had a magic wand to shift one thing to speed up the energy transition, what would it be?
📌 Note: Since the recording of this episode, the Women’s Investment Network (WIN Ventures) has grown to 50 members - a reflection of the growing momentum behind inclusive investment in cleantech.
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Hetty Lowther, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, Bielenis Villanueva Triana, on LinkedIn.
Thanks for listening to Conversations in Cleantech brought to you by Brightsmith.
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Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Tuesday Aug 05, 2025
Welcome to Season Nine of Conversations in Cleantech!
This season, we’re going behind the scenes of transition infrastructure - speaking with the investors shaping how, where and why climate capital flows. From decarbonisation and energy security to technology maturity and policy gaps, we’re unpacking what it really takes to fund the systems that underpin a net-zero future.
In this inaugural episode, our hosts Jenny Gladman and Chloe England are joined by David Giordano, former Global Head of Climate Infrastructure at BlackRock, and one of the most experienced voices in climate infrastructure.
David’s career spans the early days of demand-side management to leading BlackRock’s climate infrastructure platform, scaling it from 19 to over 70 professionals and raising more than $12 billion across six funds. His story tracks the evolution of clean energy investing and the realities of deploying capital at scale in a rapidly changing world.
In this conversation, David shares his views on today’s market headwinds, why policy consistency matters, and how demand-side technologies and data are reshaping the investment landscape. He opens up about the ‘missing middle’ in climate finance, the blurring lines between energy, transport and digital infrastructure, and what truly buildable and bankable projects look like in 2025 and beyond.
This is a conversation about scale, integrity, and the kind of capital partnerships that will define the next decade of climate progress - and a fitting start to our biggest season yet.
02:00 - Introduction to David
02:46 - Can you please introduce yourself and share a bit more about your story to date?
07:05 - What were your guiding principles when designing the strategy for BlackRock, and how did they evolve?
10:10 - What’s your take on the current renewable landscape, and how are investors navigating recent challenges?
12:30 - What are the structural gaps in the market, and what kind of investors or vehicles do we need to fill them?
14:35 - Are you seeing new types of investments emerging across energy, transport, and digital infrastructure? And how do you assess risk when assets don’t fit into traditional categories?
16:25 - How key are public-private partnerships to scaling transition infrastructure?
20:10 - Where do you think the capital should be going today to maximise the impact that we can have for the planet?
24:05 - How do we reframe the policy conversation to support real infrastructure progress?
26:40 - What makes a great capital partner in the transition space, and what red flags should operators watch for when choosing investors?
30:00 - If you were to start all over again today, what would you focus on learning and doing differently?
33:45 - How did your childhood shape your journey and passion for the work you do today?
38:00 - What legacy do you hope to leave in climate and investment, and what would make you proud of your career?
Connect with your hosts, Jenny Gladman and Chloe England, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, David Giordano, on LinkedIn.
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Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
Tuesday Jun 24, 2025
Welcome to Season Eight of Conversations in Cleantech!
From inspiring stories and words of wisdom to conversations on overcoming obstacles and fostering innovation, you can expect to learn from the trailblazers who are navigating the complexities of change to build a cleaner, more sustainable future.
In this episode of Conversations in Cleantech, our host Olivia Morgan speaks with Brian Sheng, Co-founder and CEO of Aquaria - the startup turning air into water and rethinking what infrastructure can be.
Founded at the height of the pandemic, Aquaria’s story doesn’t follow the usual cleantech playbook. Back when most investors barely registered water as a climate issue, Brian and his co-founder, who also happens to be his brother, were building a hardware solution no one believed was possible, let alone scalable. Fast forward to today, and Aquaria is supplying water to 1,000 homes in the U.S., launching projects across the GCC, and proving that the future of water doesn’t have to come from the ground.
In this conversation, Brian shares what it took to get here: the challenges of building hardware in a remote world, the misalignment between capital and need, and why personal commitment can’t be outsourced. He also talks about what early-career professionals should look for when breaking into the sector - and why execution matters just as much as mission.
From personal tragedy to global impact, this is a story about clarity, resilience, and redefining what’s possible when you stick to the vision, even when the market doesn’t get it yet.
00:53 - Introduction to Brian
01:43 - Can you please tell us a bit about yourself and your story?
02:45 - Can you share the story behind founding Aquaria and how it represents driving change in the industry?
04:33 - Can you tell us more about Aquaria’s journey since its founding in 2021 and what your role has looked like along the way?
06:20 - What have been the most rewarding experiences since starting the company?
08:10 - How did you overcome the challenges, especially founding during COVID, and adapt to reach where you are today?
10:18 - What lessons would you share with those looking to shape a career in clean tech?
12:27 - What key changes and trends have you seen in the market over the past few months and years?
14:45 - How are you navigating market changes while continuing to meet the growing need for Aquaria’s work?
17:25 - How did you prove yourself to investors and the wider market, and navigate that challenge?
19:40 - What advice would you give to people or companies, especially non-traditional decarbonisation ones, navigating today’s challenging market?
24:30 - What’s one clean tech token of advice you’d offer for success in the field?
Connect with your host, Olivia Morgan, on LinkedIn.
Find your guest, Brian Sheng, on LinkedIn.
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